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Hylas Discussion / ALT IGN Stbd Breaker?
« Last post by Nirvana on September 08, 2018, 01:21:59 PM »
Hi all, on our Ď46 we have under the Nav. seat three breakers (among others) which are for alternators.  At least it appears they are.  I know the port and starboard breakers directly address their relative alternators. 
However the third is a mystery to us and am hoping someone can clear up its function?
It is labeled ďALT IGN STBDĒ
It does not change load on the engine when turned on nor does it appear to effect charging current.
Iím in the middle of changing out the batteries and tracing cabling so will be empirically trying to trace it as well but itís still a mystery.

Thanks in advance.
Ken
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Hylas Discussion / Re: KISS-SSB
« Last post by Dealatis on September 07, 2018, 04:05:02 PM »
Hey Thanks so much for the replies!

  I have found out some more info.  I talked to Dave Powers (who has commissioned many Hylas Yachts over the years on the west coast, he knows the boats) about the issue.  We discussed the KISS-SSB and it installation on a H49.  He thinks the copper filled tubing should be located under the waterline.  Since our ICOM tuner is located in the Port Aft Lazerette, he suggested drilling a hole into the aft cabin and running the copper filled tubing under the aft cabin berth.

  My whole concern about the HF Counter-Poise is not actually based on degraded transmission (I have yet to transmit word one on our ICOM 710), but purely on the assumption that it would be degraded because of the observed severely degraded copper foil in the engine room.  Dave enlightened me that there are actually two different sized copper foils running throughout the boat.  A 3 in. wide foil (imbedded in the Fiberglass) that is part of the HF counter-poise (ground?) system and a 1 1/2 in. foil associated with the bonding system (all the green wires attached to through-hulls and strainers are attached to this 1 1/2 in. foil).  It is the 1 1/2 in. copper foil that I have been able to access in the engine room that is severely corroded.

I have been told there are many opinions on bonding systems, a break in the system may not be a bad thing (a stray external current may be transmitted throughout the body via the interconnected bonding system, a break would prevent that).  I WILL repair what 1 1/2 in copper foil, I can access, but I feel that the integrity of the bonding system and its effects on the boat are mitigated by the well placed and abundant sacrificial anodes on the H49.

I wasn't aware (haven't noticed is more accurate) that the 3 in.  foil also passes through the (bilge/engine room) in the H49.  Where I have seen it (under the forward V berth) it appears partially imbedded in the fiberglass (implying it was done during manufacture) and in good condition.

I am going to write QL to see if they can provide me 1 1/2 in. copper foil (bonding system) and if they have any schematics showing where the where the two foils (3 in. and 1 1/2 in.) run in the boat (of particular interest is if the 3 in. foil runs in the bilge/engine room).  I also need to find out how and to whom I can get a decent HF radio check in SoCal.  The Baja Ha Ha gets underway this fall, maybe I will try their HF net. 

If anyone has any amplifying info on:

1)  KISS-SSB install, specifically where to run the 10 foot tubing. 
2)  Is the 3 in. copper foil (associated with the HF counter poise) routed in the engine room Y/N
3)  Does the 1 1/2 in copper foil, severely corroded in the engine room need to be repaired

I would appreciate it.

Thank you!!

Jack Kennedy (HF idiot)
Dealatis H49-035
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Hylas Discussion / Re: KISS-SSB
« Last post by Ambition on September 07, 2018, 09:48:22 AM »
Jack,
Ambition had the exact same set-up as you do and the copper strip was 100% corroded away in many spots. I took the opportunity while the  boat was out of the water to have the ground plate removed and the 4 holes patched over. Anytime I can reduce the number of holes in through the bottom of te boat I am very happy! We installed the KISS-SSB and ran it through the swim platform up underneath. It has worked well for 3 years.

Good luck with your upgrade
Merrill and Maryse
S/V Ambition H46 #40
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Hylas Discussion / Re: KISS-SSB
« Last post by Agua Dulce on September 07, 2018, 04:38:22 AM »
We had exactly the same issue and, after the copper dissolved, etc., went with KISS, and it worked great on several passages, including across the Atlantic.   The copper (much of which was in the bilge) was a nightmare.

Charles Cunningham
"Agua Dulce"
Hylas 54 #30
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Hylas Discussion / KISS-SSB
« Last post by Dealatis on September 06, 2018, 03:43:43 PM »
Morning folks!,

I have a Hylas 49 with an ICOM 710 Marine SSB installed.  The original counterpoise consisted of copper foil fastened to the inside hull throughout the boat and then back to a exterior plate mounted on the hull under the waterline.  The copper foil is severely corroded in the section that passes through in the engine/bilge area.  On the advice of a marine electrician, I am considering purchasing the KISS-SSB counterpoise (http://www.kiss-ssb.com) rather than repair/replace the corroded copper foil.  The KISS-SSB is connected directly to the HF tuner (mine is located in the Port Aft Lazarette) and consist of a 4 foot lead and 10 feet of PVC tubing filled with copper that can be coiled in the lazarette or stretched out to full length (preferred) and attached with zip ties.  The copper filled tube has many feet of copper cut to varying lengths to accommodate the different HF frequencies.  It seems like a better solution than repairing the copper foil which, in many areas of the boat, is not easily accessed for inspection/repair.  Has anyone tried this product and if so what do you think?

Jack Kennedy
DeaLatis
Hylas 49-035
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Hylas Discussion / Re: Line sizing
« Last post by bjhsail on August 28, 2018, 01:17:46 PM »
Hi Dan - congrats on your H46 purchase. We have SV Helios, a 2000 H46, hull #27. I recently replaced the genoa sheets and went with 1/2" line, about 75' long each side. The 1/2" tends to grab better in the self-tailers on the winches - I found that the 9/16" sheets that were on the boat when we bought it 4 years ago tended to slip out of the self-tailers until loaded up unless you really yanked them to start, particularly as the lines aged.
Brad
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Hylas Discussion / Re: Where to find Electric Panel Engraving labels?
« Last post by bjhsail on August 28, 2018, 01:02:08 PM »
Mark - try Bernard Engraving (www.bernardengraving.com). Their labels are industry standard on many boat brands. They have many stock plastic labels and will do custom labels of whatever you want.  I have used them to change/update a number of label tags on our 2000 Hylas 46 electrical panel - perfect fit.
Brad
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Hylas Discussion / Re: Where to find Electric Panel Engraving labels?
« Last post by Dave Brennan on August 20, 2018, 09:38:37 PM »
It's true - Queen Long will probably send you some for free if you contact them.  I updated and color-coded many of our tags using a laser engraver/cutter and two-layer acrylic. You might be able to find a trophy shop or "maker space" that could help you with this.  Fortunately, I had one available at work to use.
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Hylas Discussion / Re: Line sizing
« Last post by Sailsteady on August 20, 2018, 05:45:56 PM »
Norm, greatly appreciate the feedback.  I was a little torn on what size genoa sheets to go with, and after reviewing the Lewmar site, it appears the Lewmar 56 ST winches have a pretty wide variance of line sizes between 8 and 16mm.  In the end, I decided to give 1/2" sheets a go and I'll see how those work out.  Will likely go with 1/2" on the mainsheet and halyards as well.  I think the traveler lines are 3/8" and for now the outhaul for the furling mainsail is still in good shape so I'll leave that one be.

Bacon sales does indeed have all kinds of neat stuff, especially if you are willing to look around a bit.  I have a guy on Ebay of all places (ropeydopey) that I've used exclusively on my last two boats and he does a phenomenal job on all his lines.  He's an ex Coast Guardsman and both his whipping and eyes are simply fantastic.  Overall his prices cannot be beat.

Thanks again for the feedback!


Cheers,


Dan
S/v Nepenthe
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Hylas Discussion / Re: Line sizing
« Last post by Sailsteady on August 20, 2018, 05:24:22 PM »
Thanks Merrill, that's a very good point and certainly one I will consider when determining my halyard lengths!  So far I've only ordered new genoa sheets, so I'll look at various halyard options after I have more time on the boat.


Cheers!


Dan

S/v Nepenthe
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