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Experienced Hylas Yachts / Re: 1996 Hylas 46, "Kokopelli"
« Last post by YachtShah on March 17, 2021, 03:00:27 AM »
Hey Brian,

Wow, she is beautifully put together.  A lot of thought and experience there.

She might be a bit old for me, but I would love to receive pictures for ideas to steal !!  At the current rate, it looks like I will have to commission a new one, as there are so few recent models for sale, and even less which are specified for "real sailing."

If you wouldn't mind, do you have any info / specs / pictures that you can easily send through.  If not, don't worry.  Just take my admiring comments as a complement!!

Thanks,

Andy


H44 #65 1989, sadly soon to be upgraded. 
(I guess I should be excited to 'upgrade', but there is a piece of me in my old boat!!)
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Hylas Discussion / Re: Hylas 46 new build quality
« Last post by erikh on March 11, 2021, 02:38:33 PM »
Hey Andy, you've been had SHAH for a good long time, congratulations on such a tenure aboard.

I can help you with your questions.

+ Are they still building in Taiwan or is it now in China? Yes! The same facility in Kaohsiung that your Hylas 44 came out of is where all Hylas' are made and is owned by the same family. Jane & Joseph are still in the yard and if you send them an email Jane is likely to be the first to respond. Their children, Andy & Peggy, are starting to take over the day to day operations of the yard. Currently in production are the H48, H57, H60, M44, M49, and M58
+ Can any comment on production quality of newer boats versus c. 1990 models? The same high quality build techniques go into every build but as technology advances so does the type of equipment put into the boat. For instance a late 1990's Hylas 46 up next to a early 2010's Hylas 46 will have the same hull construction but all of the gear like davits, sails, electronics, electrical, plumbing and such will be much more modern.
+ would there be any date before / after which one should choose to buy a boat? This is really dependent on your budget. An early Hylas 46 can be had in the upper $200's, a late model Hylas 46 will be around $400k. I would recommend the newest you can afford, this will give you fresher equipment.

I'm not sure where you may have heard about a change to the yard location, staff, or quality control, as none of that has changed.

If you have any other questions I am happy to answer those for you.
Erik Haaland
David Walters Yachts
erik@davidwaltersyachts.com
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Hylas Discussion / Re: Whitlock Constellation Steering System
« Last post by Dreikorbn6 on March 09, 2021, 09:29:04 AM »
I think Lewmar bought Whitlock fish macerator.  At least I've been able to source steering parts from Lewmar that fit.
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Hylas Discussion / Re: Whitlock Constellation Steering System
« Last post by svelysium on March 04, 2021, 10:50:46 PM »
 Oops!  Got cut off.  Anyway, he did not have the service manual and was not able to identify the parts based on photos and measurements.  As these parts are not made anymore, the only remedy for was to send the parts to the UK to have Lewmar fabricate them.  The shipping was twice as much as the parts.  I really hope this works and that I get the parts back in time for launch in 10 weeks! 

Again,
Thank you for the help.

Joy
S/V Elysium
2001 H46 H#35
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Hylas Discussion / Re: Whitlock Constellation Steering System
« Last post by svelysium on March 04, 2021, 10:45:25 PM »
Thanks to everyone for the help.  I ended up getting ahold of a helpful tech in the Uk at Lewmar.  He walked me through the dis-assembly via email.  Even he didn
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Hylas Discussion / Re: Hylas 46 new build quality
« Last post by joel on March 03, 2021, 06:30:36 PM »
Andy,

We are hull 66!
We've been aboard several of the new boats at the boat show, including the 48.  The newest 46 I've been on is Sparrow Hawk, a beautifully maintained boat.  They are all built in Taiwan.  I got to meet Joseph at the boat show a couple years ago.  His kids are doing a great job running the company, and service is still amazing.
The only change I've noticed is that the bulkheads appear to be covered in laminate rather than wood veneer.  Everything else is still first-rate. 
I understand that some of the early 46's had rudder issues.  I don't know when the rudders were redesigned.
If you want an honest assessment of the 48 I'll give you that too off list!

Joel
sailatlantis@gmail.com
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Hylas Discussion / Hylas 46 new build quality
« Last post by YachtShah on March 03, 2021, 05:10:44 PM »
As many will know, I have a Hylas 44 from way back in 1989. She is a beautiful boat and I love sailing her and have lived aboard for 18 years, but now I am considering an upgrade to a newer boat.

I was amazed to see the photos of a 2019 Hylas 46 classic, as a new / nearly new boat has almost identical build features and apparent build quality. Laminated teak grab rails, staircase, galley, rigging, as well as a bunch of upgrades, such as modern lighting.

I have also had several dealing with Joseph and his team from Queen Long in Taiwan. Amazing people.

I believe there have been some changes to the boat yard location / staff / quality control recently, and without wishing to invite any horror stories.. . .

+ Are they still building in Taiwan or is it now in China?
+ Can any comment on production quality of newer boats versus c. 1990 models?
+ would there be any date before / after which one should choose to buy a boat?

Private message would be fine if you don't wish to publish publicly.

Email yachtshah at Gmail dot com

Thanks, Andy

H44 #65 1989 SHAH
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Hylas Discussion / Re: Mast Stepping Plate - Damaged?
« Last post by Mazu on February 28, 2021, 03:01:28 PM »
Update:

I contacted Hylas.Queen Long and they were (as expected/per usual) very responsive and supportive.  I've also had a second opinion and a closer inspection. 

The rigging is over tightened and is deforming the cabin top - pulling in on the sides and raising the middle - and slightly shifting the bulkhead vis-a-vis the door(s).  This also made in very difficult to remove the mast cover in the salon.  As surmised here, there is no damage to the plate where the mast steps.  As constructed it would be quasi impossible to do so. 

The rake and curve do appear to be too much as well.  We'll have everything readjusted when it goes back in the water.

Thanks for the insights.
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Hylas Discussion / Re: Mast Stepping Plate - Damaged?
« Last post by Nirvana on February 27, 2021, 12:09:44 AM »
Agree with Jim.  The I-Beam under the sole is significant.  I seriously doubt any adjustments to the rig could distort that 12 inch steel I-beam.

I would be looking at the chain plates.  As they are anchored inboard in the structure the mechanical moment they would creat from over torque could pull up on the cabin top which would translate into the bulkheads and framing beneath.

Granted it would take a tremendous over torque to do that it is possible.  In fact our prior boat, C&C 35 Mk III experienced some door sticking on a cruise a couple weeks after we finished the Spring Off-Soundings series.  Turned out a zealous crew member cranked the back-stay and never released it. Once we released it suddenly the sticking door was unstickelized! (I just created that word... LOL ).

Anyway, my thoughts on the matter.  Hoping no serious damage was done.
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Hylas Discussion / Re: H46 Stability datasheet
« Last post by Nirvana on February 26, 2021, 11:57:57 PM »
Great info to have.  Thanks Brad!
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