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Hylas Discussion / Re: Hydrovane for H46
« Last post by will@willclower.com on Today at 01:24:54 PM »
Thanks Michael,

That is very reassuring and also great data on optimal usage!

At this point, we contacted one potential installer just this morning who could not do it within the 3 weeks before we leave, and we're waiting on one more person to respond. If that's also a NO, we'll try to figure it out ourselves (with some coaching from Will over at HV).

I'll include pics of the install when we have them, and the follow up with how it responds on the trip down to the VI in November.

Thanks again Michael!!
Will
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Hylas Discussion / Re: Hydrovane for H46
« Last post by mjarzo on Today at 07:07:26 AM »
Hi All,

Michael from H49, Hull #58, 2007 "Hylite" here. We installed a Hydrovane in San Francisco, California in July 2017. We left San Francisco in early November 2017 and have just arrived in Noumea, New Caledonia (via Mexico, French Polynesia, Tonga, Fiji). I chose the HV after a lot of research and can now comment on performance after using it for about 75% of our roughly 9,000nm of passages.

It is mounted off-center to the port side of the transom to just clear the stern ladder. Opposite to starboard of the stern ladder is a Watt & Sea 300 water generator. We have an overhead stern arch with solar panels and dinghy davits, so we have the short shaft HV with the stubby wind vane. It just fits with around 2 inches (50mm) of clearance for the stubby vane at the worst positions under the arch.

How does it perform? We use it most of the time of longer passages (passages more than 24 hours or so). It works very well from close-hauled through to about 120 degrees apparent wind. From 120 through about 135 apparent, the true wind needs to be reasonable (20 knots true or more) and sail trim need to be reasonably good. We usually reef the main above 20 knots true for less weather helm downwind but maintain the full 130% genoa). We hold full genoa until nearly 30 knots true when deep downwind. We often have the helm locked off to one side to handle the weather helm.

From about 135 apparent to 150 apparent it is not great and needs to be watched. We use an asymmetrical kite up to 150 apparent and up to 20 knots apparent (high 20's true). It can round up if trim is not good or wind is gusty, and/or sea state is rough. Waves over 2 meters can swing the stern and the HV cannot correct if it's a big swing.

Overall it is a great asset and I still think it's the best wind pilot option for our boat. I could say a lot more so please feel free to ask questions and I will try to answer.

Regards

Michael (SV Hylite)
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Hylas Discussion / Re: Hydrovane for H46
« Last post by Anthem on October 21, 2018, 08:24:53 AM »
Having been outed by Chris on Beleza will admit we installed a Hydrovane far enough to port that it doesn't interfere with steps and allows a 3.1 meter dinghy to be carried on Kato Voyager davits.  So, you may ask, does it work?  Yes, it absolutely, positively may work under at least some circumstances, probably.  For several reasons including little wind in SEA and our involuntary emplacement in Tipperary Waters marina, Darwin, for over a year and a half have had limited experience with the thing.  Sometimes it drove us straight and sometimes not so well.  Used a servo-pendulum vane on a previous and smaller boat to cross the Pacific in 2010 and that required a bit of experimentation and tinkering to get right.  Suspect the same with this especially since it is likely at the top end of its capability on a boat as heavy as an H46.  Good sail trim is mandatory.  Fortunately the boat balances wonderfully well.  We're in La Reunion after crossing the Indian Ocean from Darwin, but decided that running in very boisterous conditions wasn't the time to tinker.  Will sort the thing as able.  Dinghy rides much higher underway than photo shows, held securely by four ratcheting straps, with bow tube against plastic cover, which is held on by tie wraps and covered with rubber pad to prevent chafe.
Jack & Jan
Anthem H46-8
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Hylas Discussion / Re: ALT IGN Stbd Breaker?
« Last post by Knoxan on October 20, 2018, 12:52:03 PM »
Hi
The relay was just a standard automove type with 12vdc coil with a single pole normally open contact. It is the same as the one which operates the stop lever on your engine. Most chandlers sell them as does ebay. I installed the relay behind the switches under the navigators seat where all the relevant wiring connections can be found.

I haven't traced the wiring completely but I believe it goes from the "engine control switch" under the navigators seat out to the "Engine Control switch" in the cockpit travelling above the locker in the aft head and then back to the alternator. A long way round.

I am also  in the process of redrawing the original wiring diagrams to correct many an error and incorporate many changes I have made.

Andy
H46#32 True Brew
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Hylas Discussion / Re: Hydrovane for H46
« Last post by stgermain45 on October 20, 2018, 05:02:56 AM »
No firsthand experience, but you may want to check out this thread for mounting ideas:
http://hylasyachts.org/index.php/topic,644

We met a couple in Thailand when they were awaiting delivery of their new Hydrovane for their H46, and some installation notes are humorously depicted in their blog:
https://www.sailblogs.com/member/anthem/389977
Maybe you can reach out to them for specifics.

Chris
s/v Beleza, H46 #44
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Hylas Discussion / Re: New to us Hylas 54 lists to port
« Last post by jt11791 on October 19, 2018, 09:47:30 PM »
Hello

This is Dan & Karen - Dakareís original owners ó-H54-19. 

Our hull #19 was designed and built with serious attention to fail-safe systems.  The list to port that you have identified is a major warning sign that you have a serious problem.  The problem is remedial.
 To solve the problem, you must put more wine and beer in the starboard saloon settee locker.  Listing to port is a sure sign that the acholcol capacity is below accepatable standards -  it is time to re-fill your locker.  We used that as a metric to identify when it was time to restock. BTW, Champagne or cava can be substituted for wine or beer.  We recommend a good mix of all four.  Upon proper provisioning, the list will disappear.  Too many nights at anchor having sundowners is a major cause of the symptom.

Hey!  Great to here from you.  You are a genius sir!  You have put your finger on the problem exactly!  We hosted a rather sizable cocktail party awhile back, and our stores have not been replenished.  In fact, it was that night that I first noticed the list, but at the time I thought it was me listing.

Thank you both for commissioning such a great boat and keeping her ship-shape.  We will do our very best to maintain Dakare/Caris/Renegade in the manner that she deserves. 

Jeff + Julie Taylor
H54 #19  Renegade
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Hylas Discussion / Re: ALT IGN Stbd Breaker?
« Last post by Nirvana on October 19, 2018, 12:56:10 PM »
Thank you Andy, that was our original thinking but it just didnít dawn on us to perform the test in both states.  Like your idea on the relay, iím Absolutely going to do that.  What relay did you use?

Iím now curious about the wire routing though.  I wonder if it passes into/through the engine control toggle in the cockpit?  I know it goes aft via the cable tray.  No mistake on that as I tested the rout with my fluke, just didnít make it to the end of the wire to find itís termination point.
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Hylas Discussion / Re: New to us Hylas 54 lists to port
« Last post by Nirvana on October 19, 2018, 12:52:19 PM »
D & K, I actually compensate quite a bit by storing spares under the aft cabin starboard seat (I can fit 2 cases in there with room for several bottles of premium grade list protection).  Also on long hauls I store additional protection under the floor of the forward starboard wet locker, itís shape is a natural cradle safeguarding from seastate attempts to dislodge and break said list protection. This combined with the topped off wine stocked in their standard location does considerably compensate and as you noted is an excellent indicator that is is time to haul anchor and move to a port with a good liquor store! 

As for the batteries, we just put 4 new 8D AGMís in adding even more than the wet-cells that were there contributed. iím much of a mind to move house batt. 2 to reside under the settee where we have installed a partition and the 12v refer compressor (leaving the Grunert in-place but servicing the freezer only.).  Cabling shouldnít be an issue, itís actually a shorter run and plenty of space for routing.

{I have Ďspecial plansí for the space that battery currently occupies....  Bwaw haw haw haw haw...  !}

As Jeff & Julie of L'ame Libre suggested weíve implemented active balancing via tank usage which is helping considerably (thanks Jeff).



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Hylas Discussion / Re: ALT IGN Stbd Breaker?
« Last post by Knoxan on October 19, 2018, 07:56:11 AM »
The Alt Ign Switch probably supplies startup energising current to the stardboard alternator. Exactly how it is connected depends greatly on the alternator model and any external voltage controller used. Some alternators cannot self energise at startup and require an external voltage supply during starting. Once running they no longer require the external supply.
 In this case switching the Alt Ign Switch to OFF while the engine is running will not result in any change to output. Try switching it to OFF before you start the engine and note if there is any charging current. Then switch it to ON and note the difference.
This is how mine works.
On the downside in my setup if the Alt Ign Switch is left ON after the engine stops the alternator continues to receive energising current of about 2A. To avoid this I installed a relay which applies and removes the energising voltage by sensing if the engine is running by monitoring the port alternator output.

Andy
H46#32 True Brew
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Hylas Discussion / Re: New to us Hylas 54 lists to port
« Last post by Dakare on October 19, 2018, 01:13:54 AM »
Hello

This is Dan & Karen - Dakareís original owners ó-H54-19. 

Our hull #19 was designed and built with serious attention to fail-safe systems.  The list to port that you have identified is a major warning sign that you have a serious problem.  The problem is remedial.
 To solve the problem, you must put more wine and beer in the starboard saloon settee locker.  Listing to port is a sure sign that the acholcol capacity is below accepatable standards -  it is time to re-fill your locker.  We used that as a metric to identify when it was time to restock. BTW, Champagne or cava can be substituted for wine or beer.  We recommend a good mix of all four.  Upon proper provisioning, the list will disappear.  Too many nights at anchor having sundowners is a major cause of the symptom.

In all seriousness, the list to port is due to the large shipboard house battery bank   capacity. We deliberately designed the boat to have over 1,000 hours of battery capacity, larger than most Hylas boats. In fact, hull #19 was the first to have this much capacity. Queen Long wanted to distribute the weight evenly which would have necessitated losing easily accessible locker space on the starboard side to seldom touched batteries. We opted to keep the starboard locker free for storage. if you donít like our solution, then we suggest moving one of the 4D batteries from the port to the starboard locker.

Hope this helps...
Dan and Karen Sehnal
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