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YachtShah

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Re: 44 rudder removal
« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2020, 02:20:38 AM »
I have not removed the rudder on hull #84, nor would I be in any hurry to do that.  We have been back and forth from the NE to St. Thomas a dozen times and are planning a trans Atlantic for next year.  These boats are stout, overbuilt (albeit wet) and you can trust them with your life.

-> I would agree with Tim.  I have removed my rudder, but I was in Thailand when the labour rates were crazy cheap.  The bearing was a little lose and I made the mistake of getting it replaced.  Of course, a small adjustment would have been a better idea, and replacement bearing wore out quickly, so then we had to do it again a few years later.  Trust Queen Long's original fit out, unless something is broken.  That's my opinion now.

There is a robust stuffing box below the quadrant that is fully accessible with some bruised knuckles and can be inspected.  According to Marty Carlson who was the Lloyds surveyor of choice in St. Thomas during the heyday of Hylas 44s in charter, the only problem ever encountered with the rudders was the heel plate where the bottom of the rudder attaches to the skeg.  the charter company used to leave the boats on moorings with the helm unsecured and the bottom bolts would work loose.  Even when that happened, the rudder stayed in place and the boat still could be steered.  I have, in 17 years of listening, never heard of rudder failure (other than what Marty told me) on a 44. 

-> I would always have a slight drip from the stuffing box, and needing to screw it down every 6 months or so. And last hard stand, I removed the standard packing and put that lifetime stuff from West Marine Pro.  A little more expensive, and no drips since.  Looking on West Marine, I think the one I used was "WESTERN PACIFIC TRADING PTFE Flax Shaft Packing" - it promised a 10 year+ lifespan, I recall.  It appears slightly green and feels a bit sticky.  No need for extra grease.  PM me if you are finding difficulty finding it.

I am aware of Edson's view that the cables should be changed every 10 years.  If I were selling cable, I would probably think that too.  Since I don't sell cable, I inspect them carefully and keep the grease cups filled, tightening them periodically to force the grease into the sleeves.  This is stranded cable and, like rigging, should develop meat hooks signaling its deterioration rather than parting catastrophically.

Tim Glynn
s/v Egraine

-> Again, I agree with Tim.  I removed all my cables and replaced only the part that were broken or worn.  I actually bought eye terminals and 305 wire and made my own replacement wires.  All available from West Marine, and a fraction of Edson's price.
-> The service kit for the pedestal seemed good value, and made the steering feel a lot better.  There are websites that sell the bearings separately - Rigrite.com

-> On another side topic, I have found that servicing my winches with the grease intended for my old MaxProp (removed and sold now) has been an amazing success.  They worked smoothly from day one, and still the same 3-4 years on!!  What a bonus not to have to remove them all each year!  Lubriplate 130 AA Grease - I used it for the whole thing - gears and inside the ratchet mechanisms (where you are supposed to use oil only, but it washes away really quickly.)  FYI I have sunbrella covers for my winches too, except the mast winches - all have loved the Lubriplate grease.  Give it a try!
Andy Alford, Yacht SHAH, Hylas 44, Hull 65, 1989 - currently cruising Borneo, Philippines and Indonesia

gusto

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Re: 44 rudder removal
« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2019, 07:39:37 PM »
Just hauled our 44 today. We have a minor rudder issue. Your pictures would be very beneficial.  Please send to gsguthrie@gmail.com.  Thank you in advance.
Gary Guthrie 1989 H44 #62

George MacGown

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Re: 44 rudder removal
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2019, 11:32:48 AM »
I would very much like to see those pictures. 45.5 #8 georgemacgown@yahoo.com

burtpreston

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Re: 44 rudder removal
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2019, 11:15:28 PM »
I would also like a copy of the rudder replacement pictures.

Thanks in advance.

Burt Preston H44 - #83

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joel

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Re: 44 rudder removal
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2019, 01:13:08 PM »
Me too please. Sailatlantis@gmail.com

Joel

Chad Walsh

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Re: 44 rudder removal
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2019, 04:28:54 PM »
forgot to include my email - crwalsh@fountainheadlaw.com
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Re: 44 rudder removal
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2019, 04:23:09 PM »
If there are pix of a rudder removal, I'd be interested too!  I've wondered how that would work.

Thank you!
Chad Walsh
Velella
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NordicSunII

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Re: 44 rudder removal
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2019, 04:22:11 AM »
Would you please send me some pics: GregALarsen@msn.com 

I own hull #3.

tbglynn

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Re: 44 rudder removal
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2019, 12:39:59 PM »
Blake,

Iíd be interested in seeing the pics.  Send to

Tbglynn@glymerlaw.com

Tim Glynn
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Sailingalice

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Re: 44 rudder removal
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2019, 10:10:16 AM »
Hello to you all

We have just removed the ruder on our h44. It took all morning with an engineer from the yard but was a fairly simple process. If anyone wants more information and photos please send me an email. I not sure how to attach photos to this site not matter how I try the photos sizes are to big. 

Blake
Blake and Erica
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H44 number 18

Chad Walsh

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Re: 44 rudder removal
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2018, 03:59:18 AM »
Which H44 r u buying?  I bought mine in 2015, did a major refit, and the euphoria of owning a Hylas has worn off.  Happy to advise b 4 u dive in.

Chad
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Sailingalice

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Re: 44 rudder removal
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2018, 04:14:57 PM »
Thanks for your input

We are having a survey done at the end of the month

Hope the be joining the owners club soon.

Blake and Erica
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H44 number 18

tbglynn

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Re: 44 rudder removal
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2018, 03:34:01 PM »
I have not removed the rudder on hull #84, nor would I be in any hurry to do that.  We have been back and forth from the NE to St. Thomas a dozen times and are planning a trans Atlantic for next year.  These boats are stout, overbuilt (albeit wet) and you can trust them with your life.

There is a robust stuffing box below the quadrant that is fully accessible with some bruised knuckles and can be inspected.  According to Marty Carlson who was the Lloyds surveyor of choice in St. Thomas during the heyday of Hylas 44s in charter, the only problem ever encountered with the rudders was the heel plate where the bottom of the rudder attaches to the skeg.  the charter company used to leave the boats on moorings with the helm unsecured and the bottom bolts would work loose.  Even when that happened, the rudder stayed in place and the boat still could be steered.  I have, in 17 years of listening, never heard of rudder failure (other than what Marty told me) on a 44. 

I am aware of Edson's view that the cables should be changed every 10 years.  If I were selling cable, I would probably think that too.  Since I don't sell cable, I inspect them carefully and keep the grease cups filled, tightening them periodically to force the grease into the sleeves.  This is stranded cable and, like rigging, should develop meat hooks signaling its deterioration rather than parting catastrophically.

Tim Glynn
s/v Egraine

joel

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Re: 44 rudder removal
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2018, 11:49:28 AM »
Canít help on rudder removal but be sure to  check the steering cables.  Edson recommends replacement every 10 years.
Joel
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Sailingalice

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44 rudder removal
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2018, 08:57:32 AM »
We are still the process of buying a H44

Just wondering if any one has information about removing the ruder on a H44. We are intending to make long distance of shore passages and would like check the all the work parts for piece of mind whist the boat doing a refit.

Many thanks

Blake and Erica
Blake and Erica
Alice In Wonderland
H44 number 18

 

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